Friday, July 23, 2010


[From the STMcC archive; 2005, September.]

Continued From Part 2 . . .

The following passages cannot be fully comprehended until the principle of reincarnation is applied to them.

* JOB 1:21
"Naked I came from my mother's womb, and naked shall I return there."
Obviously we don't RETURN to the womb unless it is for the purpose of rebirth. But since this statement comes from Job, a man whose understanding of God's Ways was very limited, this verse cannot stand alone.

"And I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication; then they will look on Me whom they pierced."
Having been written about 540 years before the birth of Jesus, this is both a prophecy about the coming Messiah and His death on the cross, as well as a reference to reincarnation. Note that those who crucified Jesus will be living on the Earth to witness His Second Coming.

* MATTHEW 23:31-35 
"You are witnesses against yourselves that you are sons of those who murdered the prophets. Fill up, then, the measure of your father's guilt...that on you may come all the righteous blood shed on the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah...whom YOU murdered between the temple and the altar."
God is clear in The Bible that each man is accountable for his own sin, and that the sins of the fathers are NOT imputed to the sons. (See 2 Chronicles 25:4 amongst others. This incidentally, is also instructive when considering contemporary Christianity's understanding of Adam and Eve's "Original Sin." But we won't go there now.) Jesus is saying that the generation to whom He spoke included the individuals who had murdered the Old Testament prophets.

* MARK, Chapter 13
"Take heed that no one deceives YOU. For many will come in My name, saying, 'I am He,' and will deceive many . . . And what I say to YOU, I say to all: Watch!"

In this chapter, we find Jesus explaining to His disciples, Peter, James, John, and Andrew, the signs that will be prevalent on the Earth at the time of His Second Coming, and the things that His followers will endure. But notice how often He uses the word "YOU" in this passage. (Get your Bible and read the ENTIRE chapter for yourself.) He is clearly saying to His Disciples that they will have been reborn and present on Earth at the time of His Return! Beyond the reincarnation aspect of it, this is a VERY IMPORTANT chapter that EVERYONE had better understand thoroughly or else they will be setting themselves up for terrible judgment (which I believe is right around the corner).

* JOHN 21:21-23
"If I will that he remain till I come, what is that to you? You follow Me."
Here Jesus implies that John will continually reincarnate to promote the Gospel until Jesus’ Second Coming.

* ROMANS 7:9 
"I was alive once without the law, but when the commandment came, sin revived and I died."

Saint Paul may be implying that he lived on Earth prior to The Law of God being delivered to Moses on Mount Sinai, because obviously "The Law of Moses" had been known and practiced for many hundreds of years before the birth of Paul. It should also be remembered that Paul also said to the early Christians, "...we have much to say, and hard to explain, since you have become dull of hearing."

(See HEBREWS 5, a chapter that speaks directly about Jesus and His prior lifetime on the Earth as Melchizedek, the High Priest. Unless Jesus had been Melchizedek, He would be a priest of “the Order of Melchizedek” but He wouldn't actually be the High Priest of the Order. And that would be inconsistent with the New Testament’s view of Jesus’ place in the spiritual hierarchy.)

Incidentally, I have discovered a couple of other Biblical verses that seem to imply that Jesus himself had lived one prior earthly incarnation (or more) in which he was “born of a woman”. However, this “stuffs” about our own reincarnating is probably difficult enough for many to accept, without me actually exploring the subject as it relates even to our Master, Jesus. I’ll save that one for another year . . . or decade.

"He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he shall go out no more."
That's a quote from Jesus. If it doesn't mean that the person who overcomes the impulses of the brutish, "natural" man of the Earth, and learns to live the life of Love that God commands, will not be required to reincarnate further, then I have no idea what it means. And I doubt that anyone else does either. In my opinion, a person would have to be pretty doggedly determined NOT to see reincarnation in The Bible in order to deny that this passage refers to a cessation of reincarnating on the Earth.


* PROVERBS 22:16
"He who oppresses the poor to increase his riches, and he who gives to the rich, will surely come to poverty."
You don't need me to prove to you that many people throughout history have gained riches by unethical and immoral means, and yet died with their great wealth. This statement from God then MUST imply that the poverty will sometimes come upon the individual in a subsequent lifetime. Otherwise, God is mistaken. And God has NEVER been mistaken!

* ISAIAH 33:1
"Woe to you who plunder, though you have not been plundered; and you who deal treacherously, though they have not dealt treacherously with you! When you cease plundering, you will be plundered; when you make an end of dealing treacherously, they will deal treacherously with you."
The same idea as above. We know that not all who have plundered in ONE lifetime have themselves been plundered in that SAME lifetime.

"Whoever sheds man's blood, by man HIS blood shall be shed."
* MATTHEW 26:52
"Put your sword in its place, for ALL who take the sword will perish by the sword."
God couldn't have been more clear in the verse from Genesis. It's a reciprocal world we live in. In the passage from Matthew, we find Jesus warning Peter not to kill the servant of the high priest or else it was guaranteed that he, Peter, would suffer the same fate. Jesus was reminding him of God's karmic law established in Genesis 9:6. Now we ALL know that millions of people have murdered human beings throughout history and yet a great many of the killers did not perish from this Earth by violent means. A famous example is the gangster Mickey Cohen. He was a triggerman or "hit man" for the mob who acknowledged having murdered men: "I have killed no men that in the first place didn't deserve killing." And yet Cohen did not die by violence; he passed away in his sleep in 1976 as a result of stomach cancer.

Many murderers have even escaped capture and imprisonment. They seemingly have gotten away with murder. But "GOD IS NOT MOCKED; FOR WHATEVER A MAN SOWS, THAT HE WILL ALSO REAP" (Galatians 6:7), and His Law polices itself perfectly. Sometimes the karmic consequences do not manifest until a life (or lives) later, but God's law is perfect! All lessons will be taught according to God's own timetable. But if the verses in GENESIS 9:6 and MATTHEW 26:52 do not imply reincarnation, then surely it would be correct to assume that some individuals have gotten away with murder, and that both God and Jesus were wrong.

Even if there were no other references to reincarnation in the entire Bible, these two verses ALONE would be sufficient for us to determine that reincarnation is a Biblical concept!

"He who leads into captivity shall go into captivity; he who kills with the sword MUST be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints."

The same idea yet again. God has established a reciprocal world in which we are meant to learn our lessons through a "Cause and Effect" dynamic.


There are other references to reincarnation in The Holy Bible, but these will be more than adequate to convince "he who has ears to hear" that reincarnation is a Biblically sound concept.

But now that we see reincarnation is a fundamental part of God's plan, is there any reason to read more about it? Certainly it would not hurt to (CAUTIOUSLY) read a few books on the subject in order to gain a greater appreciation for it. But to continue reading title after title will not serve any purpose other than to simply reconfirm what you have already found. Merely understanding how reincarnation works will NOT make you a better person.

I contend that once reincarnation has been accepted, it is time to simply go on with our Living, Loving, and Learning. We don't need to dwell on a Law that God maintains with or without our conscious knowledge. If reincarnation helps you to accept certain circumstances in your life that otherwise would seem unfair on the surface, then for you it is quite helpful. But STILL, what you will do from this moment on is preeminent, and THAT is where your heart and mind should be focused.

Now that we understand that there is a cause behind every effect in our lives, let's vow not to be like that dog in Proverbs:

"As a dog returns to his own vomit,
so a fool repeats his folly."
~ PROVERBS 26:11
Let's not dwell on nor repeat our past mistakes, but go forward boldly in our faith with a conviction that - with the help of God's Son - we can live the life of Love that we have been called to.

Sure, many people will feel compelled to try to explain away these references to reincarnation, but until they can answer ALL of them in a very REASONABLE way that is consistent with the overall message of The Bible, they would be better off to simply accept the Ways of God . . . For "His mercy endures FOREVER." (Psalm 136)

Still, each person should be free to follow the path of their own conscience.

I sincerely hope that I did not convey a condescending attitude toward contemporary Christians in this guide. That certainly was not my intention. I love my Christian Brothers and Sisters, and I have learned a great deal about Jesus and The Bible from many of the Christian writers whom I have read over the years. I simply feel that much of contemporary Christian theology is not entirely Biblically sound, and does not correlate with what I have been taught by The Spirit. But beyond a theological dispute, I have no animosity toward Christians whatsoever.
In fact, I refer to myself as a "Maverick Mystic" but my beliefs are more closely aligned with modern Christianity than they are to most of the "New Age" teachings, much of which I consider to be occultic and exceedingly dangerous.

Bless And Be Blessed! (Get it? Karmic law.)


~ Jesus (Matthew 16:24 & John 14:6)


~ Stephen T. McCarthy
Continued below in “Reincarnation & The Holy Bible: 2010 Addendum [Part 4]”

YE OLDE COMMENT POLICY: All comments, pro and con, are welcome. However, ad hominem attacks and disrespectful epithets will not be tolerated (read: "posted"). After all, this isn’t, so I don’t have to put up with that kind of bovine excrement.


DiscConnected said...

>"Naked I came from my mother's >womb, and naked shall I return >

This one scares the you-know-what out of my mother....not sure I follow your logic here. I always thought it meant you come in with nothing and you go out with nothing (so you lose nothing)

>Fill up, then, the measure of >your father's guilt

I almost read this as saying I AM guilty of the sins of the fathers. It feels a little like you're reaching, but I do not have the book open so I'm only seeing the pieces you quote.

When you get into your Karmic references, they are more direct and therefore very persuasive.

I too, believe in justice, and feel that God would make sure that those who do not receive it in this life would receive it in another.

Why would you do that to that poor dog? Speaking of justice....

Stephen T. McCarthy said...

>> This one scares the you-know-what out of my mother....

Ha!-Ha! :o)

>> not sure I follow your logic here. I always thought it meant you come in with nothing and you go out with nothing (so you lose nothing)

Or KEEP nothing (except what you've learned).

But why then does it not say something like: "Naked I came from my mother's womb, and naked shall I leave here"? Rather than, "naked shall I return THERE"?

But, this may just be a poetic (?) expression, and as I said in the blog bit, it is not the strongest of verses pertaining to this subject. Just something to consider.

>> >Fill up, then, the measure of >your father's guilt.
I almost read this as saying I AM guilty of the sins of the fathers.

But why would YOU be guilty of your father's sins when God tells us that each person will answer solely for their OWN sins?

>> When you get into your Karmic references, they are more direct and therefore very persuasive.

I agree. Not all of these verses are of equal persuasiveness. I was just providing an assortment that I feel paint a pretty convincing picture. They should be considered as a whole, and not all of them necessarily as "stand alone" proofs.

>> Why would you do that to that poor dog? Speaking of justice....

If you only knew
the doo-doo
he done!

~ Stephen
"As a dog returns to his own vomit,
so a fool repeats his folly."
~ Proverbs 26:11

Dixie@dcrelief said...

Can it be this easy? Can it all come together with the reincarnation added?

I hope you don't mind - I'm copying the page link (url) so I can return and re-read these posts.

I'm beginning to think this is why I've put down the books for the last couple of months... a clearing of the mind to allow more light in. You gotta have a window! Thanks.

Stephen T. McCarthy said...

Well, it certainly makes sense of a lot of things that otherwise seem nonsensical, doesn't it?

~ D-FensDogg
'Loyal American Underground'

Dixie@dcrelief said...

Mr. McC,
When I say, "more than you know," it is regarding - only - my particular circumstances/experiences/knowings.
(Notice I did not say feelings.)

Well, I best move on to another blog bit of yours I wanted to re-read. As I take in what you write I listen for Yeshua's answer. It may take some time to fully understand, but that's the easy part today - for me. Once I understand something, a decision usually follows.

I hope the work shift is kind to you.

Stephen T. McCarthy said...

When atheists and liberals learn that a person believes in God, Christ, and The Bible, they usually automatically make all kinds of assumptions about the person's belief system. When they make those assumptions, they sometimes make an ass of themselves.

I've had some try to argue with me only to find out that I'm a whole different breed of believer than they could have imagined. And that's when I skewer them and call them out for their arrogant ignorance.

'TWENTY CASES SUGGESTIVE OF REINCARNATION' by Dr. Ian Stevenson: It's very dry reading, but I appreciate the non-sensationalistic research and writing style of this book, which leaves no question about the fact that reincarnation does sometimes occur.

Even the title is subdued, because the word "Suggestive" could very easily and accurately have been changed to "Proving".

~ D-FensDogg
'Loyal American Underground'

Dixie@dcrelief said...

>"'TWENTY CASES SUGGESTIVE OF REINCARNATION' by Dr. Ian Stevenson: It's very dry reading, but I appreciate the non-sensationalistic research and writing style of this book, which leaves no question about the fact that reincarnation does sometimes occur."<

My first thought was that reincarnation be 100% or not at all.

You stated earlier to DiscC > "Or KEEP nothing (except what you've learned)."

Is my first thought valid, (with your explanation to DiscC)?

I'll return, as I'd like to read more than this KJV I have. At times it's necessary for comprehension.

I'll also have a look for the book by Ian Stevenson.

Stephen T. McCarthy said...

>>... My first thought was that reincarnation be 100% or not at all.

Are you implying that you thought EVERYONE must reincarnate, or else none do?

If so, no, that's evidently not how it works. I'd have to do the math (math: always an adventure with me) but I believe current world population indicates that not everyone has reincarnated at one time.

There has been such a population explosion that if we totaled up estimated populations in history, up to the present day, I believe it would indicate that not everyone could have reincarnated once, let alone multiple times.

I believe there's a "standard" known only to God, which is the determining factor in whether or not a person will need to reincarnate.

There is likely also what we could call the "Bodhisattva Principle", in which a person might voluntarily reincarnate in order to show others the way to live. Someone like Mother Teresa might have been a "Bodhisattva".

I think sometimes passions and an attachment to "this world" might cause a person to reincarnate. But I seriously doubt that everyone has reincarnated.

~ D-FensDogg
'Loyal American Underground'